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		<title>Why the Numbers on Weight Machines Are a Lie</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dresdin Archibald]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2014 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[<p>For several decades now, the fitness game has been blessed with commercial fitness and “wellness” centers (whatever that means). The first thing you notice when you enter one is an endless supply of machines, most of which can only exercise one body part in one motion. Now, I&#8217;m not going to do a long free-weights-versus-machines rant. That has...</p>
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										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For several decades now, the fitness game has been blessed with commercial <a href="https://breakingmuscle.com/the-10-commandments-of-fitness-and-wellness/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" data-lasso-id="49867">fitness and “wellness”</a> centers (whatever that means). <strong>The first thing you notice when you enter one is an endless supply of machines, most of which can only exercise one body part in one motion.</strong></p>
<p>Now, I&#8217;m not going to do a long free-weights-versus-machines rant. That has been done many times and by much more articulate people. <strong>What I am going to explore is how the novice is slyly conned by the manufacturers of these machines.</strong></p>
<p class="rtecenter"><strong>RELATED: <a href="https://breakingmuscle.com/an-argument-against-machines-rip-weight-machines-1963-2013/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" data-lasso-id="49868">An Argument Against Machines: RIP Weight Machines (1963–2013)</a></strong></p>
<h2 id="the-problem-of-mechanical-advantage">The Problem of Mechanical Advantage</h2>
<p>Whether we are novices or Olympic medalists, we all like to lift more weight. It satisfies the ego and is an innate part of the human condition. Nothing wrong with that.<strong> Strength athletes need something to measure their progress with and the amount of weight on the barbell or machine seems to be an objective way of doing this</strong>. Since this seems obvious, you are probably wondering how the manufacturers of <a href="https://breakingmuscle.com/an-argument-against-machines-rip-weight-machines-1963-2013/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" data-lasso-id="49869">weight machines</a> (and by extension those who purchase them for their facilities) find a way of conning you.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s start with the weight stacks used in many of the machines. <strong>Most weight stacks are fairly accurate.</strong> Some have been discovered to be slightly lighter than advertised, but this is not the main way you will be fooled. Any variances of this type are not that significant enough to worry the prospective gym member.</p>
<p class="rtecenter"><strong>LEARN MORE:<a href="https://breakingmuscle.com/how-high-school-physics-can-help-us-with-our-weightlifting/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" data-lasso-id="49870"> How High School Physics Can Help Us With Our Weightlifting</a></strong></p>
<p>Where the real problems occur is in the mechanical guts of the various machines. It is fact that the makers build in a certain amount of <a href="https://breakingmuscle.com/tag/mechanical-advantage/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" data-lasso-id="49871"><em>mechanical advantage</em></a> to their wares. Do you remember this term from high school physics? You likely at least remember this is what makes a machine desirable in the first place. <strong>The whole idea is that a machine can move more resistance than the effort put into it.</strong></p>
<h2 id="levers-pulleys-and-inclines">Levers, Pulleys, and Inclines</h2>
<p>That works well in the industrial world, but in the gym things are a bit different. Trainees are told to <a href="https://breakingmuscle.com/coaching-tip-the-importance-of-journaling/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" data-lasso-id="49872">keep track of their workout poundages</a> in order to track progress. This makes the figures they enter into those little books very important. <strong>And as we&#8217;ve all been trained to be good little consumers, we like to think we are getting our money&#8217;s worth.</strong></p>
<h3 class="rtecenter" id="the-whole-idea-is-that-a-machine-can-move-more-resistance-than-the-effort-put-into-it"><em>&#8220;The whole idea is that a machine can move more resistance than the effort put into it.&#8221;</em></h3>
<p><strong>In the gym, that means that our effort should equal the machine’s resistance, not that resistance be far greater than effort. </strong>We want that 1:1 ratio. What goes in must equal what comes out. But that is not what happens with many of these machines in gymnasiums today.</p>
<p>If you also <a href="https://breakingmuscle.com/how-high-school-physics-can-help-us-with-our-weightlifting/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" data-lasso-id="49873">remember from physics</a>, machines can be divided into levers, pulleys, and inclines. The observant gym members will note that all of these can be used on various machines. I<strong>f they are even more observant, the gym members will notice that seldom do they experience a 1:1 ratio of resistance to effort.</strong></p>
<p>Almost all of the machines give the user a little bit of help, making the ratio anywhere from 2:1 to 5:1. <strong>Many machines utilize not just one such assistance device, but often two or even more, each with its own mechanical advantage</strong>. You must then multiply them all to get the total mechanical advantage. Let&#8217;s look at each type of machine separately.</p>
<p class="rtecenter"><strong>WRITE IT DOWN: <a href="https://breakingmuscle.com/coaching-tip-the-importance-of-journaling/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" data-lasso-id="49874">Coaching Tip: The Importance of Journaling</a></strong></p>
<h2 id="the-overhead-press-machine">The Overhead Press Machine</h2>
<p><strong>This machine is based on a simple second-class lever.</strong> The fulcrum is at one end, the effort is at the other, and the resistance somewhere in the middle.</p>
<p>The trainee presses up on the ends of the lever while the weight is attached to somewhere closer to the fulcrum.<strong> Our mechanical advantage is simply the ratio of the distance the lifter’s hands are from the fulcrum (A+B in the graphic below) divided by the distance the weight/resistance (W) is from the fulcrum (A).</strong></p>
<p><img decoding="async" loading="lazy" class="size-full wp-image-25976" style="height: 507px; width: 640px;" src="https://breakingmuscle.com//wp-content/uploads/2014/11/shoulder-press1.jpg" alt="machines, free weights, physics, lever, mechanical advantage, leg press" width="600" height="475" srcset="https://breakingmuscle.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/shoulder-press1.jpg 600w, https://breakingmuscle.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/shoulder-press1-300x238.jpg 300w" sizes="(max-width: 600px) 100vw, 600px" /></p>
<p>The machine in my gym has a 4:1 mechanical advantage. Let&#8217;s say a trainee selects 200 pounds and rattles off a nice set of ten reps. If he forgets his high school physics, he is going to feel pretty strong. But should he? By now <a href="https://breakingmuscle.com/why-you-cant-compare-resistance-and-repetition-efforts/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" data-lasso-id="49875">you should know that he shouldn’t</a>. <strong>All he really did was fifty pounds for ten reps, nothing too impressive to someone who could do the same with a 200-pound free weight.</strong></p>
<h2 id="the-pulley-machines">The Pulley Machines</h2>
<p><strong>Some of these are honest and some of them are not</strong>. How can you tell? Remember what your physics teacher said &#8211; and count the number of supporting cables.</p>
<p class="rtecenter"><strong>RELATED: <a href="https://breakingmuscle.com/why-you-cant-compare-resistance-and-repetition-efforts/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" data-lasso-id="49876">Why You Can&#8217;t Compare Resistance and Repetition Efforts</a></strong></p>
<p><strong>More than one cable means you do have a mechanical advantage.</strong> Many machines have two supporting cables and some even have three, often hidden so that counting them is difficult. To be fair, some machines label the stacks to compensate for this.</p>
<p><strong>In addition, some machines have not only an advantageous lever, but it is attached to a 2:1 pulley system</strong>. In that case, you feel very strong as you write down your day’s poundage.</p>
<h2 id="the-incline-leg-press-machine">The Incline Leg Press Machine</h2>
<p>We all know that we can incline press a little more than we can military press, but not as much as we can <a href="https://breakingmuscle.com/12-simple-strategies-to-boost-your-bench-press-and-save-your-shoulders/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" data-lasso-id="49877">bench</a> or decline press.<strong> This is a good illustration of the effects of force vectors. </strong></p>
<p><img decoding="async" loading="lazy" class="size-full wp-image-25977" style="height: 211px; width: 640px;" src="https://breakingmuscle.com//wp-content/uploads/2014/11/collagebench.jpg" alt="machines, free weights, physics, lever, mechanical advantage, leg press" width="600" height="198" srcset="https://breakingmuscle.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/collagebench.jpg 600w, https://breakingmuscle.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/collagebench-300x99.jpg 300w" sizes="(max-width: 600px) 100vw, 600px" /></p>
<p class="rtecenter"><span style="font-size: 11px;"><em>Left: Incline Press; Middle: Bench Press; Right: Decline Press</em></span></p>
<p>But there is another machine in the gym where this incline idea is used more insidiously. You all know what I&#8217;m talking about. It&#8217;s the leg press machine, the favorite of squat dreaders everywhere. <strong>Some truly awesome poundages can be moved on this device and they are all very gratifying to the ego.</strong> Even former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright boasted of a 400-pound leg press, and she was in her seventies at the time.</p>
<p>But those who want to do<a href="https://breakingmuscle.com/new-study-pits-barbell-squats-against-leg-press-machine/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" data-lasso-id="49878"> leg presses instead of those nasty old squats</a>should be aware of one thing. <strong>Most leg press machines made today are built with tracks moving at a 45-degree angle.</strong> Back in the 1950s, we leg pressed lying on our backs and resting a barbell across the bottoms of our feet. This was a stupid thing to do, of course, but it had one advantage. It at least gave us some honest reading of what we were pressing.</p>
<h3 class="rtecenter" id="this-is-more-or-less-completely-safe-and-you-can-move-tremendous-weights-on-it-the-trouble-is-you-are-not-lifting-as-much-as-you-think-you-are"><em>&#8220;This is more or less completely safe and you can move tremendous weights on it. The trouble is you are not lifting as much as you think you are.&#8221;</em></h3>
<p>But today we have something better &#8211; the leg press sled on a 45-degree angle track. This is more or less completely safe and you can move tremendous weights on it. <strong>The trouble is you are not lifting as much as you think you are.</strong></p>
<p class="rtecenter"><img decoding="async" loading="lazy" class="size-full wp-image-25978" src="https://breakingmuscle.com//wp-content/uploads/2014/11/shutterstock2151635561.jpg" alt="" width="600" height="375" srcset="https://breakingmuscle.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/shutterstock2151635561.jpg 600w, https://breakingmuscle.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/shutterstock2151635561-300x188.jpg 300w" sizes="(max-width: 600px) 100vw, 600px" /></p>
<p>To determine the actual weight, you have to take the cosine of the angle the machine deviates from the vertical. <strong>The gentler than angle, i.e., the more it deviates from the vertical, the easier it is to lift. </strong>Most leg press machines today are on 45-degree angles, although some are far gentler. The cosine of 45 degrees is about 0.71, giving a 1:1.4 mechanical advantage. This means that Ms. Albright&#8217;s 400-pound leg press is really only 285 pounds if she did it on a 45-degree angle.</p>
<h2 id="look-past-the-numbers">Look Past the Numbers</h2>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure if the manufacturers were thinking of this, but I&#8217;m sure it occurred to somebody that a mechanical advantage could be turned into a financial advantage. <strong>People like to move big weights and most don&#8217;t care about the engineering niceties.</strong></p>
<p class="rtecenter"><strong>RELATED: <a href="https://breakingmuscle.com/globo-gym-warning-how-to-protect-yourself-your-money-and-your-goals/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" data-lasso-id="49880">Globo Gym Warning: How to Protect Yourself, Your Money, and Your Goals </a></strong></p>
<p>The gym owners who buy these machines are well aware that progress is best proven with impressive figures. <strong>And maybe it doesn&#8217;t bother the average trainee as long as they can see progress.</strong> Being able to lift eleven plates in the stack is still better than being able to lift ten. Whether it&#8217;s 110 pounds or 110 “something-or-others” makes little difference since it&#8217;s still more than 100.</p>
<p><strong>Serious trainees will not be fooled, but they&#8217;re a minority anyway. </strong>And this is yet another reason why free weights have enjoyed a renaissance even as the machines have taken over <a href="https://breakingmuscle.com/globo-gym-warning-how-to-protect-yourself-your-money-and-your-goals/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" data-lasso-id="49881">in commercial gyms.</a></p>
<p><em style="font-size: 11px;">Photos 1 &amp; 4 <em>courtesy of <a href="http://www.shutterstock.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" data-lasso-id="49882">Shutterstock</a>.</em></em></p>
<p><em style="font-size: 11px;">Photo 2 <em>courtesy of <a href="http://www.shutterstock.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" data-lasso-id="49883">Shutterstock</a> and Breaking Muscle.</em></em></p>
<p><em style="font-size: 11px;"><em>Graphic 3 courtesy of <a href="https://breakingmuscle.com/tag/data/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" data-lasso-id="49884">Everkinectic</a>.</em></em></p><p>The post <a rel="nofollow" href="https://breakingmuscle.com/why-the-numbers-on-weight-machines-are-a-lie/">Why the Numbers on Weight Machines Are a Lie</a> appeared first on <a rel="nofollow" href="https://breakingmuscle.com">Breaking Muscle</a>.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Kelso]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2014 16:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[<p>You can barbell squat 400lbs for a one-repetition maximum (1RM). How does this ability equate to your 1RM deadlift or a 10RM leg press? You can bench press 115lbs for eight perfect repetitions. Now you want to use a plate-load chest press device in your workout. How do you determine what resistance to load on the device for...</p>
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										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can <a href="https://breakingmuscle.com/new-study-pits-barbell-squats-against-leg-press-machine/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" data-lasso-id="40653">barbell squat</a> 400lbs for a one-repetition maximum (1RM). <strong>How does this ability equate to your 1RM deadlift or a 10RM leg press?</strong></p>
<p>You can <a href="https://breakingmuscle.com/the-bench-press-is-a-pull-5-cues-you-might-be-missing/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" data-lasso-id="40654">bench press</a> 115lbs for eight perfect repetitions. Now you want to use a plate-load chest press device in your workout. <strong>How do you determine what resistance to load on the device for a set of twelve repetitions?</strong></p>
<p>Are you able to perform seventeen perfect <a href="https://breakingmuscle.com/mastering-the-chin-up-7-variations-to-beat-gym-boredom/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" data-lasso-id="40655">narrow-grip chin ups</a>? Nice. <strong>Now go to the selectorized pulldown machine and perform seventeen perfect pulldowns</strong>. Where should you stick the pin on the weight stack to attain those seventeen repetitions?</p>
<h2 id="inaccurate-comparisons">Inaccurate Comparisons</h2>
<p>It&#8217;s great we live in a time where there are a <a href="https://breakingmuscle.com/3-unique-kettlebell-and-sandbag-exercise-progressions/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" data-lasso-id="40656">multitude of devices</a> that can be used to get stronger: time-proven barbells and dumbbells and various plate-loading, selectorized, and other style resistance machines.<strong> Variety is good and it&#8217;s okay to use them all.</strong></p>
<p>There is one problem, though. It was alluded to above.<strong> How can you compare or equate your ability with one device (i.e., a dumbbell exercise) with the ability in a different device (i.e., a plate-load machine)</strong>? You used a 75lb dumbbell in a single-arm bent-over row. Therefore, should you use 150lbs in a two-arm seated row on a selectorized machine?</p>
<p>That sounds logical and may be a good starting point when constructing a new <a href="https://breakingmuscle.com/the-rule-of-3-workout-routine-veni-vidi-vici/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" data-lasso-id="40657">workout routine</a>. However, is this comparison accurate? <strong>There are some factors that need to be understood in order to make the best choice for your training:</strong></p>
<h2 id="machine-comparisons">Machine Comparisons</h2>
<p>A similar muscle group-targeting machine such as a selectorized chest press may have a different mechanical design as compared to a plate-load chest press in terms of movement arm length, grip factors, the <a href="https://breakingmuscle.com/how-high-school-physics-can-help-us-with-our-weightlifting/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" data-lasso-id="40658">fulcrum point,</a> and thus the angle of force application. <strong>They both work, but 100lbs on one device may not be equal to 100lbs on the other device, relative to the number of repetitions achieved</strong>. Therefore, you cannot compare them.</p>
<h2 id="free-weight-comparisons">Free Weight Comparisons</h2>
<p>You can overhead press a barbell with 120lbs for fifteen repetitions to <a href="https://breakingmuscle.com/more-fatigue-does-not-make-more-muscle/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" data-lasso-id="40659">muscular fatigue</a>. Does this mean you can take two x 60lb dumbbells (½ of the 120lbs) and press them overhead for fifteen repetitions? No. <strong>Because of the specificity issue (two resistances versus one), your effort with the dumbbells would fall short of fifteen repetitions. </strong></p>
<h2 id="free-weight-vs-machine-comparisons">Free Weight vs. Machine Comparisons</h2>
<p><strong>Refer to my opening points</strong>. Can you compare a barbell result to a <a href="https://breakingmuscle.com/an-argument-against-machines-rip-weight-machines-1963-2013/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" data-lasso-id="40660">machine result</a>? No way. Again, regarding the principle of specificity, 165lbs on a leverage (plate-load) device cannot be compared to 165lbs in a similar free weight exercise.</p>
<p><img decoding="async" loading="lazy" class="size-full wp-image-21693" style="height: 423px; width: 640px;" src="https://breakingmuscle.com//wp-content/uploads/2014/05/shutterstock111088850.jpg" alt="" width="600" height="397" srcset="https://breakingmuscle.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/shutterstock111088850.jpg 600w, https://breakingmuscle.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/shutterstock111088850-300x199.jpg 300w" sizes="(max-width: 600px) 100vw, 600px" /></p>
<h2 id="how-to-properly-journal-your-resistance-training">How to Properly Journal Your Resistance Training</h2>
<p>Whatever device you use, <a href="https://breakingmuscle.com/coaching-tip-the-importance-of-journaling/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" data-lasso-id="40661">record your progression with it </a>&#8211; specifically. Resistance is resistance and dependent on how it&#8217;s manifested gravitationally.<strong> Remember to note the following in your training journal:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>Is it free-standing, weight stacks sliding up guide rods or weight plates loaded on movement arms moving on various-length movement arms? Each one is different than the other.</li>
<li>Is the machine cable/pulley, pivoting movement arm or gliding in nature? Again, the amount of resistance used in each situation will be different.</li>
<li>In consideration to the aforementioned, is the exerciser pushing or pulling vertically, horizontally, or at a different angle? The angle of force application matters, and comparison of results here will differ.</li>
<li>In conjunction with the angle of force application, what is the length of the lever arm, position of the rotation point, or position of the body part being targeted?</li>
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<h2 id="the-important-takeaway">The Important Takeaway</h2>
<ul>
<li>If you barbell bench press 245lbs, it does not mean you can bench press 245lbs on a selectorized chest press.</li>
<li>If you can deadlift 300lbs with a barbell, it does not mean you can deadlift 300lbs on a plate-loading deadlift machine.</li>
<li>If you can press overhead 35lb dumbbells twenty times, it does not mean you can press overhead 70lbs on a selectorized machine twenty times.</li>
<li>If you can bicep curl 90lbs on a low <a href="https://breakingmuscle.com/best-cable-machine-for-home-gyms/" data-lasso-id="346925">pulley machine</a> for nine repetitions, it does not mean you can curl 90lbs with a free-weight EZ curl bar.</li>
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<p>Variety is good. Use <a href="https://breakingmuscle.com/a-strength-training-session-without-conventional-equipment/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" data-lasso-id="40662">all tools available to get stronger</a>.<strong> But understand the devices you use in your program cannot be compared between each other.</strong></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11px;"><em>Photos courtesy of <a href="http://www.shutterstock.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" data-lasso-id="40663">Shutterstock</a></em></span><span style="font-size: 11px;"><em>.</em></span></p><p>The post <a rel="nofollow" href="https://breakingmuscle.com/why-you-cant-compare-resistance-and-repetition-efforts/">Why You Can&#8217;t Compare Resistance and Repetition Efforts</a> appeared first on <a rel="nofollow" href="https://breakingmuscle.com">Breaking Muscle</a>.</p>
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