• Skip to primary navigation
  • Skip to main content
  • Skip to primary sidebar
Breaking Muscle

Breaking Muscle

Breaking Muscle

  • Fitness
  • Workouts
    • Best Shoulder Workouts
    • Best Chest Workouts
    • Best Leg Workouts
    • Best Leg Exercises
    • Best Biceps Exercises
    • Best Kettlebell Exercises
    • Best Back Workouts
    • Best HIIT Workouts
    • Best Triceps Exercises
    • Best Arm Workouts
  • Reviews
    • Supplements
      • Best Pre-Workout
      • Best BCAAs
      • Best Testosterone Boosters
      • Best Bodybuilding Supplements
      • Best Creatine
      • Best Supplements for Weight Loss
      • Best Multivitamins
      • Best Collagen Supplement
      • Best Probiotic
      • Best Non-Stim Pre-Workout
      • Best Greens Powder
      • Best Magnesium Supplements
    • Protein
      • Best Protein Powder
      • Best Whey Protein
      • Best Protein Powders for Muscle Gain
      • Best Tasting Protein Powder
      • Best Vegan Protein
      • Best Mass Gainer
      • Best Protein Shakes
      • Best Organic Protein Powder
      • Best Pea Protein Powder
      • Best Protein Bars
    • Strength Equipment
      • Best Home Gym Equipment
      • Best Squat Racks
      • Best Barbells
      • Best Weightlifting Belts
      • Best Weight Benches
      • Best Functional Trainers
      • Best Dumbbells
      • Best Adjustable Dumbbells
      • Best Kettlebells
      • Best Resistance Bands
      • Best Trap Bars
    • Cardio Equipment
      • Best Cardio Machines
      • Best Rowing Machines
      • Best Treadmills
      • Best Weighted Vests
      • Concept2 RowErg Review
      • Hydrow Wave Review
      • Best Jump Ropes
  • News
  • Exercise Guides
    • Legs
      • Back Squat
      • Bulgarian Split Squat
      • Goblet Squat
      • Zercher Squat
      • Standing Calf Raise
      • Hack Squat
    • Chest
      • Bench Press
      • Dumbbell Bench Press
      • Close-Grip Bench Press
      • Incline Bench Press
    • Shoulders
      • Overhead Dumbbell Press
      • Lateral Raise
    • Arms
      • Chin-Up
      • Weighted Pull-Up
      • Triceps Pushdown
    • Back
      • Deadlift
      • Trap Bar Deadlift
      • Lat Pulldown
      • Inverted Row
      • Bent-Over Barbell Row
      • Single-Arm Dumbbell Row
      • Pendlay Row
Fitness

In Defense of the Kipping Pull Up

I won't disagree that the kipping pull up looks silly and isn’t a real pull up, but I’m tired of reading criticisms based on shoulder mechanics that have zero basis in reality.

Robert Camacho

Written by Robert Camacho Last updated on Nov 22, 2021

I’ve been accused of being a CrossFit hater on more than one occasion. While I understand why my opinions might rankle a few less secure individuals, the truth is I actually love CrossFit.

I did CrossFit for two years pretty religiously and it completely reinvigorated my love for training. I’ve since moved in a different direction due to an overwhelming need to deadlift as much weight as possible, but I still do the majority of my training at a CrossFit box.

Of the various aspects of CrossFit I’ve seen criticized, none seem to me to be quite as polarizing as the kipping pull up. I’m not going to disagree that it looks silly and isn’t a real pull up, but I’m tired of reading criticisms based on shoulder mechanics that have zero basis in reality.

Kipping Pull Ups Are Not Strict Pull Ups

The first criticism: kipping is stupid because it’s not a real pull up. Okay, yes, that’s true, but I’m not exactly sure this is a criticism so much as an observation. It’s like standing next to someone while they’re pulling and saying, “Hey! That’s not a squat! That’s a deadlift!” Good call, bud.

Kipping pull ups and strict pull ups are different movements with different purposes. The inability to recognize this is hardly the fault of the kip. Strict pull ups are a strength movement. They do not exhibit an unusually high need for technical proficiency or utilization of power production and momentum. Kipping pull ups fall on the opposite end of the strength-power spectrum.

Click To Tweet: Kipping pull ups and strict pull ups are different movements with different purposes

Kipping pull ups are, for the most part, a means to an end. They are a common movement seen in competition or in programming for competition-level athletes. Why? Because in competition sometimes you need to get your chest to the bar as many times as possible in the shortest time possible.

kipping pull up, kipping, kipping pullup, defense of kipping pull up, crossfit

Athletes are not performing this movement as an exercise in its truest definition. Saying kipping pull ups are stupid because they aren’t a real exercise is roughly as valuable as criticizing a baseball pitch as not being good for creating shoulder stability. That is not and never was the purpose of the pitch. Pitching is a sport-specific movement that achieves a specific goal relative to the sport in which it is used.

Even if you were to look at the kipping pull up as an exercise, saying it’s not a real pull up is still hardly a criticism. Tell me something, would you ever sprint just three steps? How about rowing, would you ever watch someone rowing on an erg and think, “Oh, those rows are so stupid. Barbell rows are so much more effective for building strength. Don’t you guys even know proper form? LOL #CrossFitFail.”

Kipping pull ups are a highly technical movement that, when utilized as an exercise, provide a brutal anaerobic demand on the musculature of the upper body. They’re a hundred meter sprint for your arms. Kipping pull ups aren’t meant for building raw strength and if you see them or use them that way, that’s on you, pal.

Click To Tweet: Used as an exercise, kipping pull ups are the hundred-meter sprint for your upper body 

Kipping Pull Ups Are Dangerous

The second common criticism: kipping pull-ups are dangerous and harmful to the joints. Well, sure – if you suck at them.

It doesn’t matter whether you use a standard or butterfly kip, but in my mind there is a biomechanical beauty to a correctly performed kipping pull up. Properly executed technical movements just look pretty (see: Rich Froning doing pretty much anything) because they are uncommon examples of the human body moving at its highest level of mechanical efficiency.

Rich Froning Jr - Fran - CrossFit Games 2012

A lot of people who have zero understanding of shoulder mechanics look at the kipping pull up and instinctively know that trying it would hurt their shoulders. They then decide that because of that initial instinct the kipping pull up must be bad for all shoulders everywhere, all the time.

Unfortunately, most of these people are right. Kipping would hurt their shoulders because they have jacked up, mechanically inefficient posture. Hell, their shoulders probably already hurt just from existing. But given the requisite mobility and strength, properly executed kipping pull ups are probably easier on your shoulders than slow-grind, strict pull-ups for two main reasons.

The first reason is that the majority of the actual pulling is performed while your upper body is closer to horizontal than vertical. This is a stronger, more stable pulling position for a healthy shoulder because you’re not pulling from directly overhead. The second reason is that the bottom of the kip, the full extension lockout, is yet another one of the most stable positions for your shoulder. It’s similar to the catch position for a jerk or a snatch. That’s not just a coincidence.

kipping pull up, kipping, kipping pullup, defense of kipping pull up, crossfit

I’ve heard a lot of people say that it’s easy to dislocate your shoulder doing kipping pull ups. If that were true you’d see a lot of dislocations in people doing overhead pressing stuff, and while it does happen, it’s far from the norm.

The most common dislocations occur when the arm is in the cocking position (ninety degrees of abduction/ninety degrees of elbow flexion with reference to anatomical position) and something hits your hand hard and pushes it back. This will cause an anterior dislocation of the humeral head and can cause some serious soft tissue damage. This is also a position that should occur at no point during any of these exercises. If it does, you’re doing it wrong.

Why You Might Continue Doing the Kipping Pull Up

Honestly, as someone who has participated in the rehab of hundreds of athletes, I find the idea that the kipping pull up is inherently super dangerous and therefore needs to be constantly denounced pretty funny. You know what’s really bad for your shoulders? Throwing.

Baseball is terrible on your shoulders, but how often do you see some internet-fitness-guru post the ten reasons you don’t need to pitch? They don’t, because that would be stupid. A golf swing is also pretty horrendous for your joints, as is the posture in the ready position for a volleyball player or pretty much the entire on-field life of a field hockey athlete.

kipping pull up, kipping, kipping pullup, defense of kipping pull up, crossfit

Kipping pull ups are far less dangerous than all of these things. I’ve worked with a lot of people, but you know how many athletes I’ve helped who were injured doing kipping pull ups? Not one. I’ve seen more injuries from a flat barbell bench press and far more injuries from overhead pressing than overhead pulling.

Exercise efficacy is contextual. The purpose of the movement should mirror the task at hand. It’s pretty safe to say that if you don’t CrossFit, you probably don’t need to train kipping pull ups. Their main purpose and utility is entirely concerned with CrossFit – and competition in particular – but that doesn’t mean you can’t benefit from them.

As far as the dangers go the jury is still out, but in my experience soccer, football, baseball, and golf all contain way more dangerous movements than kipping. So my question is this: where’s the army of bloggers denouncing the golf swing?

Click To Tweet: The golf swing and baseball pitch are more dangerous than the kipping pull up

Photos 2 courtesy of CrossFit Impulse.

All other photos courtesy of Jorge Huerta Photography.

Robert Camacho

About Robert Camacho

Robert was something of an odd child. Not particularly athletically gifted, he instead spent most of his time reading comics and watching martial arts movies. Slowly but surely, the steady diet of incredible (if fictitious) physical specimens instilled in him a desire to begin training of some sort. Fueled by hours of awesome but highly questionable action movie workout montages mixed with some subconscious desire to become Batman, Robert found himself desperate for any information that would help him along his road to becoming bigger, stronger and faster.

This life-long interest led Robert to pursuing a degree in exercise science and a career in the fitness industry. It also, rather unfortunately, left him plagued with a variety of debilitating injuries. While doing pistols on an upside-down Bosu and clapping pull ups was impressive, he believes it was precisely that type of flashy, dangerous training coupled with participation in combat sports that left him with torn labrums in his right shoulder and left hip and a torn ligament in his foot. He also managed to acquire tendonitis in just about every joint with tendons (read: all of them).

Disillusioned by his stint as a trainer in a corporate gym and frustrated by the injuries that kept him from training, Robert began working at a sports physical therapy clinic, helping design and implement late-stage return to sport training protocols for athletes who had completed their post-surgical rehab. Rabidly absorbing all information available to him through this new experience and constantly harassing all of his fellow clinicians with questions, Robert gained a unique insight and understanding into both the human body and his own personal struggles with injury. Constantly seeking to improve his understanding of diagnosing and treating movement disorders, Robert has spent the last five years assisting athletes of all levels, from children to the professionals, in returning to their sport pain free and stronger than ever.

When he’s not reading, writing, or ranting on his blog, Robert splits his time between his role at SportsCare Physical Therapy in Paramus, New Jersey, trying to deadlift 500lbs, and as a student chasing his own Doctor of Physical Therapy.

View All Articles

Related Posts

Fergus Crawley 5K Run Tips Photo
Fergus Crawley Shares 5 Tips For Running a Better 5K
Actor Chris Hemsworth in gym performing dumbbell row
Chris Hemsworth Diagrams a Killer Upper Body Workout Fit For an Action Star
Hugh Jackman Deadpool 3 Workouts Spring:Winter 2023
Hugh Jackman Returns to Wolverine Condition in Workouts for “Deadpool 3”
Method Man Incline Dumbbell Presses December 2022
Check Out Rapper Method Man Cruising Through 120-Pound Incline Dumbbell Presses for 10 Reps

Primary Sidebar

Latest Articles

New Year’s Fitness Sales (2025)

XWERKS Motion BCAA Review (2025): A Registered Dietitian’s Honest Thoughts

Assault Fitness AssaultBike Pro X Review (2025): Assault’s Best Bike Yet?

13 Best Exercise Bikes for Home Gyms (2025)

Transparent Labs BCAA Glutamine Review (2025): The Key to Post-Workout Recovery?

Latest Reviews

Element 26 Hybrid Leather Weightlifting Belt

Element 26 Hybrid Leather Weightlifting Belt Review (2025)

Omre NMN + Resveratrol, Lifeforce Peak NMN, and partiQlar NMN on a red background

Best NMN Supplement: Fountain of Youth in a Bottle? (2025)

The Titan Series Adjustable Bench on a red background

Titan Series Adjustable Bench Review (2025)

A photo of the NordicTrack Select-a-Weight Dumbbells on a red background

NordicTrack Adjustable Dumbbell Review (2025): Are These Value Dumbbells Worth It?

woman lifting barbell

Be the smartest person in your gym

The Breaking Muscle newsletter is everything you need to know about strength in a 3 minute read.

I WANT IN!

Breaking Muscle is the fitness world’s preeminent destination for timely, high-quality information on exercise, fitness, health, and nutrition. Our audience encompasses the entire spectrum of the fitness community: consumers, aficionados, fitness professionals, and business owners. We seek to inform, educate and advocate for this community.

  • Reviews
  • Healthy Eating
  • Workouts
  • Fitness
  • News

Follow Us

  • Facebook
  • Twitter
  • Instagram
  • Pinterest
  • RSS Feed

© 2025 · Breaking Muscle · Terms of Use · Privacy Policy · Affiliate Disclaimer · Accessibility · About